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LeaderS23 · Energy & SustainabilityFreeSummary

The Ma Interview: Why Energy Needs a Ten-Year View

In a wide-ranging conversation, Ma explains how the company chose its markets, which bets failed and why the next decade belongs to disciplined operators.

PN
Priya NambiarVERIFIED
Policy Editor, IGEN News
10 Oct 2026, 18:43 IST9 min read3.9K views

Updated 12 Oct 2026, 23:03 IST

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Speaking at the company's headquarters, Ma is direct about the starting point. "Fifteen years ago we were a domestic supplier with a good reputation and no global brand," the chief executive says. "We sold on price, we got squeezed, and we realised that if we did not move up the value chain we would not exist in a decade."

Asked about the policy environment, the CEO is pragmatic. Incentive schemes help, but Ma argues the bigger lever is predictability: stable duty structures, faster customs clearance and a reliable power supply. "If the rules change every budget, long-term investment looks like gambling."

Key takeaways

  • A failed joint venture in Australia cost $241 million and taught a lesson about shared inspection regimes.
  • Export revenue is now 20.8% of the total, serving customers in 1,138 countries.
  • The company walked away from 4.3% of revenue that failed margin thresholds.
  • Each new market took three to four years to crack; patience is framed as strategy.
  • Customer scorecards now include emissions data; renewable power targeted by 2029.

From domestic supplier to global brand

On sustainability, Ma says customer pressure is real. Two of the company's top five buyers now include emissions data in their scorecards. "Five years ago it was a footnote. Today it is a line item in the tender," the CEO says, adding that the firm has committed to renewable electricity at its main sites by 2029.

On capital allocation, Ma describes a rule of thumb used by the board: no project is approved unless it can be funded from internal accruals in a downside case. "It means we sometimes say no to exciting things," Ma admits, "but it also means we have never had to dilute our own people to survive a bad year."

By the numbers

Export share
35%
of revenue
from exports today
Countries served
36
markets
countries served
Margin change
+4.5 pts
margin
over the period
Rework cost cut
21%
lower
rework cost with vision

Technology is the next frontier. The company has begun deploying machine vision on three production lines and plans to extend predictive maintenance to all plants within two years. Ma is wary of hype, but points to early data showing 10.5% lower rework costs. "Show me the yield, not the demo," the CEO says.

“Global is not a launch. It is a habit you build one customer at a time.”

Ananya Rao, Energy & Climate Correspondent

Talent and capital allocation

The conversation turns to failures. A joint venture in Australia was wound up after two years when the partners disagreed over quality standards. "We lost $241 million and learned that you cannot share a brand with someone who does not share your inspection regime," Ma says. "Culture beats contract."

Export share of revenue% of revenue
Export share of revenueExport share of revenue: from 32.3 % of revenue in W1 to 41.1 % of revenue in W8; high 41.1 in W8, low 32.3 in W1.29.132.135.138.141.132.3W1W2W3W437.7W5W6W741.1W8

Source: IGEN Intelligence analysis of igen intelligence database data. Illustrative mock data.

That realisation triggered a sequence of decisions. The first was to invest in certification and testing ahead of demand, a bet that cost $241 million before it earned a rupee. The second was to open a sales and service office in Netherlands, staffed with local engineers. The third was to walk away from 4.3% of revenue that did not meet margin thresholds.

Milestones in the company's global journey
MilestoneYearInvestmentOutcome
Certification pushYear 2$241 millionQualified with 5 buyers
Office in NetherlandsYear 4$39 millionLocal team of 40
Margin disciplineYear 6n/aExited 4.3% of revenue
Graduate programmeYear 7$5 million120 hires
Machine visionYear 12$26 million3 lines live
Source: UN Comtrade; IGEN estimates. Figures are illustrative mock data.

Failures, policy and technology

Succession planning also receives attention. Ma has publicly named a successor development track and says three internal candidates are in line. "A company that depends on one person is a hobby," the CEO says, smiling. "We are building an institution that should not need me."

Timeline of key events

  1. 27 Aug 2026
    Pivot decision

    Leadership resolves to move up the value chain after margin squeeze.

  2. 7 Sep 2026
    Certification investment

    $241 million spent on testing and approvals ahead of demand.

  3. 18 Sep 2026
    First overseas office

    Sales and service team established in Netherlands.

  4. 29 Sep 2026
    JV wound up

    Partnership in Australia ends over quality-standards disagreement.

  5. 10 Oct 2026
    Machine vision rollout

    Deployed on three lines; extension to all plants planned.

As the interview closes, Ma offers advice for younger founders considering the same path: choose one market, serve it obsessively, hire locally, and measure patience in years rather than quarters. "Global is not a launch," the CEO says. "It is a habit you build one customer at a time."

Expert commentary

“If the rules change every budget, long-term investment looks like gambling.”

KW
Kenji Watanabe
Managing Director, Asia Supply Chains, Pacific Sourcing Group

“For Energy, the margin of safety is in diversification: two markets, two gateways and two sources of finance.”

AR
Ananya Rao
Energy & Climate Correspondent, IGEN News

“Buyers are paying a premium for certainty. Suppliers who can document, deliver and communicate will capture it.”

KS
Karthik Subramanian
Logistics & Ports Reporter, IGEN News

Advice for the next generation

The results are visible. Export revenue now represents 20.8% of the total, the company serves customers in 1,138 countries, and its operating margin has widened by roughly 10.5% over the period. Ma credits patience: "Every one of these markets took us three to four years to crack. Boards that want results in four quarters should not enter."

What it means for you

Founders and CEOs

Choose one market, hire locally and measure patience in years; walk away from revenue that erodes margin.

Investors

Look for boards with explicit downside-case funding rules and a visible succession track.

Policy makers

Predictable duty and power regimes matter more to long-term investors than headline incentives.

Professionals

Rotational programmes and judgement-led hiring signal where leadership pipelines are being built.

Companies and leaders in this story

Hindalco Industries Havells India Wipro Infosys Ma Dev Malik Nikhil Kamath

Frequently asked questions

Three to four years per major market, according to the CEO, with the first decade focused on certification and trust.

Sources

  1. IGEN Intelligence database: Proprietary tracker of announced projects
  2. UN Comtrade: Bilateral trade flows by HS code
  3. Company filings and earnings calls: Disclosures on order books and capex
  4. Port authority statistics: Container volumes, dwell times and berth productivity

Mock content for demonstration. Names, figures and quotes are illustrative and not real reporting.

#Energy#Leader#Leadership#Interview#Strategy#Netherlands
PN
Written by

Priya Nambiar

Policy Editor, IGEN News

Reports on ministry notifications, trade agreements and industrial incentive schemes across all 60 sectors.

Source & Editorial Attribution

Ministry of New & Renewable Energy · IGEN Trade Intelligence

This article is curated and summarized by the IGEN editorial desk. All text is verified from official filings and trade bulletins, rendered strictly in plain text for compliance and clarity. Full text and regulatory updates are archived in the national registry.

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Rahul Menon
38m ago

The timeline section is a handy reference. Sharing with our procurement team.

S
Smita Verma
2h ago

Useful numbers. Would love to see the same breakdown for smaller units, since they carry most of the compliance burden.

D
Deepa Nair
5h ago

Any word on how this plays out for services exporters? Would be a good follow-up.

In this article
  1. 1. From domestic supplier to global brand
  2. 2. Talent and capital allocation
  3. 3. Failures, policy and technology
  4. 4. Advice for the next generation
  5. 5. Discussion (3)

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Back to News FeedEnergyThe Ma Interview: Why Energy Needs a Ten-Year View
LeaderS23 · Energy & SustainabilityFreeSummary

The Ma Interview: Why Energy Needs a Ten-Year View

In a wide-ranging conversation, Ma explains how the company chose its markets, which bets failed and why the next decade belongs to disciplined operators.

PN
Priya NambiarVERIFIED
Policy Editor, IGEN News
10 Oct 2026, 18:43 IST9 min read3.9K views

Updated 12 Oct 2026, 23:03 IST

Energy & Sustainability: illustrative image for "The Ma Interview: Why Energy Needs a Ten-Year View"
Business leaders and the boardroom: illustrative image for Energy coverage. Photo: Unsplash.
129
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Sponsored

Trade finance for exporters: invoice discounting in 48 hours (partner content).

Member story

Speaking at the company's headquarters, Ma is direct about the starting point. "Fifteen years ago we were a domestic supplier with a good reputation and no global brand," the chief executive says. "We sold on price, we got squeezed, and we realised that if we did not move up the value chain we would not exist in a decade."

Asked about the policy environment, the CEO is pragmatic. Incentive schemes help, but Ma argues the bigger lever is predictability: stable duty structures, faster customs clearance and a reliable power supply. "If the rules change every budget, long-term investment looks like gambling."

Key takeaways

  • A failed joint venture in Australia cost $241 million and taught a lesson about shared inspection regimes.
  • Export revenue is now 20.8% of the total, serving customers in 1,138 countries.
  • The company walked away from 4.3% of revenue that failed margin thresholds.
  • Each new market took three to four years to crack; patience is framed as strategy.
  • Customer scorecards now include emissions data; renewable power targeted by 2029.

From domestic supplier to global brand

On sustainability, Ma says customer pressure is real. Two of the company's top five buyers now include emissions data in their scorecards. "Five years ago it was a footnote. Today it is a line item in the tender," the CEO says, adding that the firm has committed to renewable electricity at its main sites by 2029.

On capital allocation, Ma describes a rule of thumb used by the board: no project is approved unless it can be funded from internal accruals in a downside case. "It means we sometimes say no to exciting things," Ma admits, "but it also means we have never had to dilute our own people to survive a bad year."

By the numbers

Export share
35%
of revenue
from exports today
Countries served
36
markets
countries served
Margin change
+4.5 pts
margin
over the period
Rework cost cut
21%
lower
rework cost with vision

Technology is the next frontier. The company has begun deploying machine vision on three production lines and plans to extend predictive maintenance to all plants within two years. Ma is wary of hype, but points to early data showing 10.5% lower rework costs. "Show me the yield, not the demo," the CEO says.

“Global is not a launch. It is a habit you build one customer at a time.”

Ananya Rao, Energy & Climate Correspondent

Talent and capital allocation

The conversation turns to failures. A joint venture in Australia was wound up after two years when the partners disagreed over quality standards. "We lost $241 million and learned that you cannot share a brand with someone who does not share your inspection regime," Ma says. "Culture beats contract."

Export share of revenue% of revenue
Export share of revenueExport share of revenue: from 32.3 % of revenue in W1 to 41.1 % of revenue in W8; high 41.1 in W8, low 32.3 in W1.29.132.135.138.141.132.3W1W2W3W437.7W5W6W741.1W8

Source: IGEN Intelligence analysis of igen intelligence database data. Illustrative mock data.

That realisation triggered a sequence of decisions. The first was to invest in certification and testing ahead of demand, a bet that cost $241 million before it earned a rupee. The second was to open a sales and service office in Netherlands, staffed with local engineers. The third was to walk away from 4.3% of revenue that did not meet margin thresholds.

Milestones in the company's global journey
MilestoneYearInvestmentOutcome
Certification pushYear 2$241 millionQualified with 5 buyers
Office in NetherlandsYear 4$39 millionLocal team of 40
Margin disciplineYear 6n/aExited 4.3% of revenue
Graduate programmeYear 7$5 million120 hires
Machine visionYear 12$26 million3 lines live
Source: UN Comtrade; IGEN estimates. Figures are illustrative mock data.

Failures, policy and technology

Succession planning also receives attention. Ma has publicly named a successor development track and says three internal candidates are in line. "A company that depends on one person is a hobby," the CEO says, smiling. "We are building an institution that should not need me."

Timeline of key events

  1. 27 Aug 2026
    Pivot decision

    Leadership resolves to move up the value chain after margin squeeze.

  2. 7 Sep 2026
    Certification investment

    $241 million spent on testing and approvals ahead of demand.

  3. 18 Sep 2026
    First overseas office

    Sales and service team established in Netherlands.

  4. 29 Sep 2026
    JV wound up

    Partnership in Australia ends over quality-standards disagreement.

  5. 10 Oct 2026
    Machine vision rollout

    Deployed on three lines; extension to all plants planned.

As the interview closes, Ma offers advice for younger founders considering the same path: choose one market, serve it obsessively, hire locally, and measure patience in years rather than quarters. "Global is not a launch," the CEO says. "It is a habit you build one customer at a time."

Expert commentary

“If the rules change every budget, long-term investment looks like gambling.”

KW
Kenji Watanabe
Managing Director, Asia Supply Chains, Pacific Sourcing Group

“For Energy, the margin of safety is in diversification: two markets, two gateways and two sources of finance.”

AR
Ananya Rao
Energy & Climate Correspondent, IGEN News

“Buyers are paying a premium for certainty. Suppliers who can document, deliver and communicate will capture it.”

KS
Karthik Subramanian
Logistics & Ports Reporter, IGEN News

Advice for the next generation

The results are visible. Export revenue now represents 20.8% of the total, the company serves customers in 1,138 countries, and its operating margin has widened by roughly 10.5% over the period. Ma credits patience: "Every one of these markets took us three to four years to crack. Boards that want results in four quarters should not enter."

What it means for you

Founders and CEOs

Choose one market, hire locally and measure patience in years; walk away from revenue that erodes margin.

Investors

Look for boards with explicit downside-case funding rules and a visible succession track.

Policy makers

Predictable duty and power regimes matter more to long-term investors than headline incentives.

Professionals

Rotational programmes and judgement-led hiring signal where leadership pipelines are being built.

Companies and leaders in this story

Hindalco Industries Havells India Wipro Infosys Ma Dev Malik Nikhil Kamath

Frequently asked questions

Three to four years per major market, according to the CEO, with the first decade focused on certification and trust.

Sources

  1. IGEN Intelligence database: Proprietary tracker of announced projects
  2. UN Comtrade: Bilateral trade flows by HS code
  3. Company filings and earnings calls: Disclosures on order books and capex
  4. Port authority statistics: Container volumes, dwell times and berth productivity

Mock content for demonstration. Names, figures and quotes are illustrative and not real reporting.

#Energy#Leader#Leadership#Interview#Strategy#Netherlands
PN
Written by

Priya Nambiar

Policy Editor, IGEN News

Reports on ministry notifications, trade agreements and industrial incentive schemes across all 60 sectors.

Source & Editorial Attribution

Ministry of New & Renewable Energy · IGEN Trade Intelligence

This article is curated and summarized by the IGEN editorial desk. All text is verified from official filings and trade bulletins, rendered strictly in plain text for compliance and clarity. Full text and regulatory updates are archived in the national registry.

Daily briefing

Get stories like this in your inbox

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Discussion (3)

Sort by: Most recent
Log in to comment
R
Rahul Menon
38m ago

The timeline section is a handy reference. Sharing with our procurement team.

S
Smita Verma
2h ago

Useful numbers. Would love to see the same breakdown for smaller units, since they carry most of the compliance burden.

D
Deepa Nair
5h ago

Any word on how this plays out for services exporters? Would be a good follow-up.

In this article
  1. 1. From domestic supplier to global brand
  2. 2. Talent and capital allocation
  3. 3. Failures, policy and technology
  4. 4. Advice for the next generation
  5. 5. Discussion (3)

Trending now

  1. 01Compliance Window Opens for Coal Units as Ministry of Coal Tightens Standards
  2. 02Reading United Kingdom's Policy Signals: What They Mean for Indian Exporters
  3. 03Inside India's FinTech Build-Out: Capex, Bottlenecks and the 2030 Target
  4. 04New Electronics Incentive Scheme Clears Cabinet With $9.5 billion Outlay
  5. 05Compliance Window Opens for Chemicals Units as Ministry of Chemicals & Fertilizers Tightens Standards
Topic
S23 · Energy & Sustainability

Ministry of New & Renewable Energy

NetherlandsAustralia

More to read

All headlines →
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Compliance Window Opens for Coal Units as Ministry of Coal Tightens Standards

7 min read
Country · Fisheries

Reading United Kingdom's Policy Signals: What They Mean for Indian Exporters

7 min read
Technology · FinTech

Inside India's FinTech Build-Out: Capex, Bottlenecks and the 2030 Target

5 min read
Policy · Electronics

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9 min read
Policy · Chemicals

Compliance Window Opens for Chemicals Units as Ministry of Chemicals & Fertilizers Tightens Standards

8 min read
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Manufacturing Exports to Vietnam Jump 9.7% as Buyers Diversify Away From Single-Source Supply

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